]]> otherwise perplex social scientists as to their causes. -- how there really is something schizophrenic about a culture which deplores the labor of self-sustaining farming while at once fetishizing gym work-outs, and many more provocative ideas. Given what sometimes seems the rather undercritical and rather overgeneral technophilia of some who read Amor Mundi regularly and occasionally comment here (and of course all are emphatically welcome here!). I can already imagine the protests that Shiva is really just a "Luddite," that she is engaged in a shrill "anti-technology" discourse and so on. I want to stress in the most emphatic terms that it is my view that Shiva is offering up (or at any evaluate providing indispensable material from which can be formulated) a conspicuously advocacy of planetary permaculture. Advocating for appropriate technology is not "anti-technology," directing our attention to politically pernicious deployments of technodevelopment in the function of exploitation of the vulnerable and profits for incumbents is not "anti-technology," delineating the catastrophic impacts of false models and marketing hype is not "anti-technology." As I hammer on about measure and measure again. "technology" doesn't exist at a level of generality that properly enables one to declare a "pro-technology" or "anti-technology" stance in any kind of monolithic way. Technology is exceed conceived not as an idol to affirm or as an ethos with which to identify but as an interminable process of collective technodevelopmental social struggle in which a diversity of stakeholders are constantly contesting collaborating educating agitating organizing appropriating and coping with ongoing and proximately emerging technoscientific changes costs risks and benefits. Vandana Shiva redirects us to that level of specificity for the technodevelopmental outcomes with which she is most concerned (and of course there are others that are likely to matter to technoprogressive folks just as much as these: p2p democratization for one; consensualization and universalization of non-normalizing genetic prosthetic and cognitive medicine; weapons proliferation -- that is to say all the key drivers of the ) while at once opening us to the connections between permaculture politics and planetary democracy struggles. If we drop fractionsAtomicWeightC=6AtomicWeightO=166+2*16=38CarbonContentPerKgOfCO2=6/38=3/19~=16%Now if we consider food being mix of equal parts of stiffen and wet (good enough approximation for this purpose)... Starch's emprical formula is (C6H10O5)n which makes carbon contents... 6*6/6*6+10+16*5=36/126=6/21=2/7~=30%. 15% when we consider water. This supports "10 times more carbon" claim although this isn't primary component of either as she implies. Emprical formula of is C12H24 with variations. 6*12+24=96. CarbonContentsPerKgDiesel=72/96~=70%. So this means that about 1.2 kg of theoretical diesel fuel is burnt per 1 kg of food. So ok. 10 kg of CO2 per 1 kg of food. But this does not convey that 10x times furnish was burnt. No such thing was claimed but misconstruals desire that are possible. Now to the energy. That theoretical furnish if burnt would produce circa 60 MJ of energy. Typically only about 20 MJ of that are useful energy though. Our theoretical food would create about 8MJ of energy although less is useful (10-20%). Again numbers more or less add up. (considering crudeness of assumptions and mental math). Is this a bad or good prove though? Frankly. I think it's not as bad as it might seem. Not great and could be improved but certainly not by means of abolishing "chemistry" (you see cater scatter is chemical too and unsurprisingly horses consume energy at an efficiency worse than that of modern industry. And we be the ways to return at least nitrogen consumed by plants approve to the alter.) not by disregarding "genetics" (We have been doing "genetics" for millenia. Many kinds of wheat are heterohexaploid meaning that ancient "geneticist" introduced not mere genes but whole chromosomes of different species into genome.) and I suspect that not by sending all those combine-harvesters to junkyards. What is needed is _responsible_ use of chemistry free-as-in-freedom and throughly scrutinized before introduction genetical manipulations and yes whatever we can do about those harvesters... Biodiesel? The atomic weight of carbon is 12,That's what happen when you don't check be you are absolutely sure in. Does not throw calculations too much off thou or so it seems at a glance. Thanks. You really think she is advocating abolishing "chemistry"? You really evaluate she is advocating disregarding "genetics"?Well check part of the speech stating at 20:30 to 21:28. It's as unambiguous call to just these things as it could be. This may not be the overall animate of her speech. (and here I agree with you it's really progressive.) Monsanto's Bt cotton isn't the genetics. Overuse of fertilisers and pesticides is BAD agronomy and so is apply of wet. BTW. But populate caught up in their rhetoric tend to forget about that. This creates absolutely false visualise of what organic faming ought to be. It should be simply reasonable agriculture with all the latest tech used not blind go to 500-years old practices (whose might be just as enviromentaly damaging without the benefit of increased create. BTW. Just that low population approve then masked the effect. People just went away like Maya did. Now there's no place to go to.) I asked:You really think she is advocating abolishing "chemistry"? You really think she is advocating disregarding "genetics"?You responded:Well check move of the speech stating at 20:30 to 21:28. It's as unambiguous label to just these things as it could be. Listening to the whole speech it's pretty unambiguous to me that she means no such thing though. She is talking about high energy petro-chemical inputs in industrial model agriculture that yield the superficial appearance of surplus where a fuller accounting indicates depletion sometimes catastrophically. Obviously she is using the word "chemicals" as a shorthand for petro-chemical inputs in industrial agriculture. Hence the bits about eating oil? How many times does she actually have to tell that more complex formulation before she is extended the benefit of the doubt when telescoping points for a spoken communicate to a listening audience of organic farmers? Honestly aren't you surreally picking nits here a bit?You then admit:This may not be the overall spirit of her speechIndeed. So if you concede this key context then why offer up all the crapola suggesting she doesn't understand that not all chemistry is petro-chemistry why make the insinuation that she doesn't grasp the elementary fact that traditional agriculture and animal husbandry already constituted a kind of genetic manipulation? I don't get it. Overuse of fertilisers and pesticides is BAD agronomy and so is overuse of water. BTW. But populate caught up in their rhetoric tend to drop about that. What is the insinuation here? Are you claiming that industrial agriculture can be indulged without the nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that yield diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc? You know the practices that pretty much define the model? I think the historical record demands more skepticism to say the least. Indeed. I find myself suspected that Shiva is hardly the one here forgetting reality in consequence of a prior investment in a particular rhetoric! But the truth is I don't want to put words in your mouth or to move to conclusions about your assumptions. You wouldn't accept some of the techno-utopian denialists and corporate apologists I sometimes get in my comments section! You wouldn't accept some of the techno-utopian denialists and corporate apologists I sometimes get in my comments section!I bet. :)Looks like I indeed was a bit caught up in rhetioric as come up since I accept with most of the speech's cotents yet you percieve my comments quite differently. But for better or worse I too often had clashes with other kind of denialists. Ones that state that any kind of progres in agriculture is The Evil and if we just go to tried and true methods of our ancestors all problems will cease. But as I said most of problems of industrial agriculture started much earlier than many seem to think. Over-irrigation? Monoculture? 10 000 years old. Foreign trade putting local farmers at a discriminate? XVI century. Even overuse of petrochemicals has historic parallels. So return to "tried and true" methods is not an say exactly because "Green "revolution"" is in fact little more than these tried and true methods only bigger.(And Vandana Shiva's argument that all the increase in production can be explained by more arrive & more water is supporting that although I'd like to see actual study.)Yet many too many populate interpret calls to "organic farming" as that same return and would easily har what they want to comprehend in that speech. Damn. I once had read paper where XIX century Russian agriculture was proposed as "the way to the future". Yeah without change surface single yeld evaluate or explaination of why most of the population was systematicaly starving throughout several centuries. (Answer: So-called "free" trade.)Again. I don't say Vandana Shiva advocates those things. I just tried to understand how her take on the problem is different from the usual "green excite". And I'm impressed. Figures add up. Except for some rhetoric most of what she says is difficult to deny. There's positive schedule other than "to use tried and true methods of Founding Fathers". Maybe I'm just not ready for an idea of organic farming advise who knows what she's doing and that's why my thoughts on the speech be like attacks but I do not convey such things. What is the insinuation here? Are you claiming that industrial agriculture can be indulged without the nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that yield diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc? No. In fact I make different affirm altogether. Neither industrial nor preindustrial agriculture were really sustainable. But now there is a wish that really proper techniques for agriculture could be devised. _limiting_or_eliminating_ nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that furnish diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc. Abolition of any IP rights on genes and promotion of polyculture are certainly steps in alter direction. Neither industrial nor preindustrial agriculture were really sustainable. But now there is a hope that really proper techniques for agriculture could be devisedRight on. I think Shiva. Jackson. Holmgren are advocating precisely this kind of new direction. They are definitely not advocating Zerzanian primitivism for example (not to alter Zerzan either btw -- I have benefited from reading him change surface if I disagree with many of his more notorious theses). Abolition of any IP rights on genes and promotion of polyculture are certainly steps in right direction. Right on. To be fair it is possible that Shiva and Holmgren occasionally go into a more New Agey kind of rhetoric than one might desire and one sometimes has to hold gestures like that to the side if it isn't your cup of tea to focus on the truly promising and substantive case many permaculture advocates and designers are making (in my view). I think this rhetorical tic -- which I accept tends to be over-emphasized by facile critics in any inspect -- has something to do with trying to articulate their message in a way that will go with the terminology and concerns of many of the actual folks in their audience here and now the folks actually doing the work of experimental permaculture learn. But whatever one thinks of these stylistic questions and cultural appeals they are easily separable from the key arguments they are making in my believe which tend to emphasize the application of exceed science and more sensible design principles to the demands of an agriculture to feed burgeoning populations in a sustainable way and to spotlight the anti-democratizing corporatist politics of industrial agriculture and demand we bear on permaculture. This is nothing new probably but it just ocurred to me that there are numerous analogies to IP issues in genetics and software. There are enormous fixed expediture needed in both cases and what's interesting either actually writing label or introducing new gene (or causing a clump of random mutations) aren't the most difficult and expensive parts of the affect. Planning testing and fixing problems are. Again once that work is done we displace product in an environment which may replicate it practically indefinitely as a part of its normal use. This isn't completely adjust for every variety of seed (evaluate F1 hybrids) and every kind of sowtware (evaluate firmware) but close enough. Although technically all you need to do selection is arable land (and little more than that for genetics in fact) only minority of people undergo necessary skills and inclination to participate. More or less the same with the software. There are two major differences too: Mishap with genetics/selection may be much more dangerous as certainly is biologic "malware". The secnd one is that varieties are patented while programs are copyrighted. That these similarities and differences mean that OSG (Open obtain Genetics) may be completely viable maybe not alter now but quite soon. Those same biotech corporations create better cheaper equipment exceed protocols and cadre of specialists needed whether they want it or not at least for time being. But unlike OSS OSG absolutely requires some kind of regulating authority to be set up and most probably won't be able to start up until at least some key patents either expire naturally or are made cancel by other means. In other words it would be much less hip :) and legal battles would start much sooner but other than that these could be quite similar. My thoughts on agriculture are these1) Farming whether industrial/long-distance or "organic/local" isn't "natural" in any useful sense and IS destructive of habitat. If some combination of nanotech hydroponics and solar power eventually lets us grow our food in "skyfarms" http://nymag com/news/features/30020/ or underground under lights or whatever we can probably make most of the planet into something a national park while not starving. This would be about as "natural" as a kidney transplant and so would not satisfy the hard core out deep-ecologists but the rest of us would be OK with it I think.2) "Localist" farming is a great idea - except when it isn't. desire in the winter in Russia or the northern US when the closest thing to fresh local produce is the onions that accidentally sprout in the bin in your kitchen. This is where the very unnatural skyfarms and such can come into play providing local create in places where the climate doesn't want to compete nice for a large part of the year. As oil prices rise these things might eventually come to be competitive pricewise with the sunbelt megafarms which rely on long hold trucking3) Advocates of improved diet with an emphasis on vegetables and change surface caloric restriction for longevity as an integral part of health care need to address the skyrocketing cost of fresh produce on the one transfer and the social inequities associated with their production. Every time I have driven past an irrigated megafarm here out west and seen the migrant workers tramping the roads from one vast hacienda to another I thought to myself "where do those guys get their vegetables". Then I though - "alter they don't get them they can't afford them they bring home the bacon to give our vegetables".

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http://amormundi.blogspot.com/2007/11/vandana-shiva-on-resource-descent-and.html ]]> ]]> issues with which you are unfamiliar (or issues on which you are worse than unfamiliar because you have settled for mainstream mediated vacuities) devoting a lazy holiday afternoon to these marvelous talks might be a positively life-changing experience for you. It is the of the Conference delivered by Vandana Shiva that I be to draw particular attention to -- not because I think it is the best of them but just because I hope it will be a inform of entry into a deeper engagement with Shiva's work for some of my readers. There are so many key themes registered in this short address that Shiva expands considerably in her writings elsewhere: -- how high energy input industrial agriculture models create the superficial impression of surplus at the real cost of catastrophic depletion. -- how imposed monocultures are simply not resilient enough to do the work of planetary agriculture to meet existing human needs and how we must redirect our thinking to local polycultures instead. -- how enclosure of the commons -- whether geographic genomic or creative -- is always a matter of confiscation and exploitation. -- how facile versions of "pro-technology" rhetoric are used by corporate-military incumbents to exacerbate precarity and merge structural dependency of vulnerable populations like local farmers. -- how this precarity and dependence are the actual obtain of some social instability terrorism and "epidemics" of suicide that otherwise bedevil social scientists as to their causes. -- how there really is something schizophrenic about a grow which deplores the labor of self-sustaining farming while at once fetishizing gym work-outs, and many more provocative ideas. Given what sometimes seems the rather undercritical and rather overgeneral technophilia of some who construe Amor Mundi regularly and occasionally mention here (and of cover all are emphatically accept here!). I can already create by mental act the protests that Shiva is really just a "Luddite," that she is engaged in a shrill "anti-technology" discourse and so on. I be to stress in the most emphatic terms that it is my view that Shiva is offering up (or at any evaluate providing indispensable material from which can be formulated) a conspicuously advocacy of planetary permaculture. Advocating for appropriate technology is not "anti-technology," directing our attention to politically pernicious deployments of technodevelopment in the service of exploitation of the vulnerable and profits for incumbents is not "anti-technology," delineating the catastrophic impacts of false models and marketing hype is not "anti-technology." As I hammer on about measure and time again. "technology" doesn't exist at a level of generality that properly enables one to affirm a "pro-technology" or "anti-technology" stance in any kind of monolithic way. Technology is better conceived not as an idol to affirm or as an ethos with which to determine but as an interminable process of collective technodevelopmental social struggle in which a diversity of stakeholders are constantly contesting collaborating educating agitating organizing appropriating and coping with ongoing and proximately emerging technoscientific changes costs risks and benefits. Vandana Shiva redirects us to that aim of specificity for the technodevelopmental outcomes with which she is most concerned (and of course there are others that are likely to matter to technoprogressive folks just as much as these: p2p democratization for one; consensualization and universalization of non-normalizing genetic prosthetic and cognitive medicine; weapons proliferation -- that is to say all the key drivers of the ) while at once opening us to the connections between permaculture politics and planetary democracy struggles. If we drop fractionsAtomicWeightC=6AtomicWeightO=166+2*16=38CarbonContentPerKgOfCO2=6/38=3/19~=16%Now if we consider food being mix of compete parts of starch and wet (good enough approximation for this purpose)... stiffen's emprical formula is (C6H10O5)n which makes carbon contents... 6*6/6*6+10+16*5=36/126=6/21=2/7~=30%. 15% when we believe wet. This supports "10 times more carbon" affirm although this isn't primary component of either as she implies. Emprical formula of is C12H24 with variations. 6*12+24=96. CarbonContentsPerKgDiesel=72/96~=70%. So this means that about 1.2 kg of theoretical diesel fuel is burnt per 1 kg of food. So ok. 10 kg of CO2 per 1 kg of food. But this does not convey that 10x times fuel was burnt. No such thing was claimed but misconstruals like that are possible. Now to the energy. That theoretical furnish if burnt would produce circa 60 MJ of energy. Typically only about 20 MJ of that are useful energy though. Our theoretical food would produce about 8MJ of energy although less is useful (10-20%). Again numbers more or less add up. (considering crudeness of assumptions and mental math). Is this a bad or good result though? Frankly. I think it's not as bad as it might seem. Not great and could be improved but certainly not by means of abolishing "chemistry" (you see horse manure is chemical too and unsurprisingly horses consume energy at an efficiency worse than that of modern industry. And we be the ways to go at least nitrogen consumed by plants back to the soil.) not by disregarding "genetics" (We undergo been doing "genetics" for millenia. Many kinds of wheat are heterohexaploid meaning that ancient "geneticist" introduced not mere genes but whole chromosomes of different species into genome.) and I suspect that not by sending all those combine-harvesters to junkyards. What is needed is _responsible_ use of chemistry free-as-in-freedom and throughly scrutinized before introduction genetical manipulations and yes whatever we can do about those harvesters... Biodiesel? The atomic weight of carbon is 12,That's what come about when you don't check number you are absolutely sure in. Does not impel calculations too much off thou or so it seems at a glance. Thanks. You really think she is advocating abolishing "chemistry"? You really think she is advocating disregarding "genetics"?Well analyse part of the speech stating at 20:30 to 21:28. It's as unambiguous call to just these things as it could be. This may not be the overall spirit of her speech. (and here I agree with you it's really progressive.) Monsanto's Bt cotton isn't the genetics. Overuse of fertilisers and pesticides is BAD agronomy and so is overuse of water. BTW. But people caught up in their rhetoric tend to forget about that. This creates absolutely false visualise of what organic faming ought to be. It should be simply reasonable agriculture with all the latest tech used not blind return to 500-years old practices (whose might be just as enviromentaly damaging without the acquire of increased create. BTW. Just that low population approve then masked the cause. populate just went away like Maya did. Now there's no place to go to.) I asked:You really think she is advocating abolishing "chemistry"? You really think she is advocating disregarding "genetics"?You responded:Well check part of the speech stating at 20:30 to 21:28. It's as unambiguous call to just these things as it could be. Listening to the whole speech it's pretty unambiguous to me that she means no such thing though. She is talking about high energy petro-chemical inputs in industrial model agriculture that yield the superficial appearance of surplus where a fuller accounting indicates depletion sometimes catastrophically. Obviously she is using the word "chemicals" as a shorthand for petro-chemical inputs in industrial agriculture. Hence the bits about eating oil? How many times does she actually have to repeat that more complex formulation before she is extended the benefit of the doubt when telescoping points for a spoken address to a listening audience of organic farmers? Honestly aren't you surreally picking nits here a bit?You then adjudge:This may not be the overall spirit of her speechIndeed. So if you acknowledge this key context then why furnish up all the crapola suggesting she doesn't understand that not all chemistry is petro-chemistry why make the insinuation that she doesn't grasp the elementary fact that traditional agriculture and animal husbandry already constituted a kind of genetic manipulation? I don't get it. Overuse of fertilisers and pesticides is BAD agronomy and so is overuse of water. BTW. But populate caught up in their rhetoric tend to forget about that. What is the insinuation here? Are you claiming that industrial agriculture can be indulged without the nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that yield diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc? You know the practices that pretty much define the model? I evaluate the historical record demands more skepticism to say the least. Indeed. I sight myself suspected that Shiva is hardly the one here forgetting reality in consequence of a prior investment in a particular rhetoric! But the truth is I don't want to put words in your mouth or to move to conclusions about your assumptions. You wouldn't believe some of the techno-utopian denialists and corporate apologists I sometimes get in my comments section! You wouldn't believe some of the techno-utopian denialists and corporate apologists I sometimes get in my comments section!I bet. :)Looks like I indeed was a bit caught up in rhetioric as well since I agree with most of the speech's cotents yet you percieve my comments quite differently. But for better or worse I too often had clashes with other kind of denialists. Ones that express that any kind of progres in agriculture is The Evil and if we just go to tried and true methods of our ancestors all problems will vanish. But as I said most of problems of industrial agriculture started much earlier than many seem to think. Over-irrigation? Monoculture? 10 000 years old. Foreign trade putting local farmers at a discriminate? XVI century. Even apply of petrochemicals has historic parallels. So go to "tried and adjust" methods is not an answer exactly because "Green "revolution"" is in fact little more than these tried and adjust methods only bigger.(And Vandana Shiva's argument that all the change magnitude in production can be explained by more arrive & more wet is supporting that although I'd like to see actual chew over.)Yet many too many people understand calls to "organic farming" as that same return and would easily har what they want to comprehend in that speech. Damn. I once had read paper where XIX century Russian agriculture was proposed as "the way to the future". Yeah without even single yeld figure or explaination of why most of the population was systematicaly starving throughout several centuries. (Answer: So-called "free" trade.)Again. I don't say Vandana Shiva advocates those things. I just tried to understand how her take on the problem is different from the usual "green excite". And I'm impressed. Figures add up. Except for some rhetoric most of what she says is difficult to deny. There's positive program other than "to use tried and true methods of Founding Fathers". Maybe I'm just not create from raw material for an idea of organic farming advocate who knows what she's doing and that's why my thoughts on the speech be like attacks but I do not convey such things. What is the insinuation here? Are you claiming that industrial agriculture can be indulged without the nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that yield diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc? No. In fact I make different claim altogether. Neither industrial nor preindustrial agriculture were really sustainable. But now there is a hope that really proper techniques for agriculture could be devised. _limiting_or_eliminating_ nonselective pesticide use the high-energy inputs that yield diminishing returns the wasteful irrigation the devotion to monoculture etc. Abolition of any IP rights on genes and promotion of polyculture are certainly steps in right direction. Neither industrial nor preindustrial agriculture were really sustainable. But now there is a hope that really proper techniques for agriculture could be devisedRight on. I think Shiva. Jackson. Holmgren are advocating precisely this kind of new direction. They are definitely not advocating Zerzanian primitivism for example (not to demonize Zerzan either btw -- I undergo benefited from reading him even if I disagree with many of his more notorious theses). Abolition of any IP rights on genes and promotion of polyculture are certainly steps in right direction. Right on. To be fair it is possible that Shiva and Holmgren occasionally drift into a more New Agey kind of rhetoric than one might desire and one sometimes has to bracket gestures like that to the side if it isn't your cup of tea to focus on the truly promising and substantive case many permaculture advocates and designers are making (in my view). I think this rhetorical tic -- which I accept tends to be over-emphasized by facile critics in any case -- has something to do with trying to articulate their message in a way that will resonate with the terminology and concerns of many of the actual folks in their audience here and now the folks actually doing the work of experimental permaculture learn. But whatever one thinks of these stylistic questions and cultural appeals they are easily separable from the key arguments they are making in my view which tend to evince the application of better science and more sensible design principles to the demands of an agriculture to feed burgeoning populations in a sustainable way and to spotlight the anti-democratizing corporatist politics of industrial agriculture and demand we bear on permaculture. This is nothing new probably but it just ocurred to me that there are numerous analogies to IP issues in genetics and software. There are enormous fixed expediture needed in both cases and what's interesting either actually writing label or introducing new gene (or causing a bunch of random mutations) aren't the most difficult and expensive parts of the process. Planning testing and fixing problems are. Again once that bring home the bacon is done we place product in an environment which may replicate it practically indefinitely as a part of its normal use. This isn't completely true for every variety of seed (think F1 hybrids) and every kind of sowtware (think firmware) but change state enough. Although technically all you need to do selection is arable arrive (and little more than that for genetics in fact) only minority of people have necessary skills and inclination to act. More or less the same with the software. There are two major differences too: Mishap with genetics/selection may be much more dangerous as certainly is biologic "malware". The secnd one is that varieties are patented while programs are copyrighted. That these similarities and differences convey that OSG (Open Source Genetics) may be completely viable maybe not right now but quite soon. Those same biotech corporations create better cheaper equipment exceed protocols and cadre of specialists needed whether they be it or not at least for measure being. But unlike OSS OSG absolutely requires some kind of regulating authority to be set up and most probably won't be able to go away up until at least some key patents either expire naturally or are made void by other means. In other words it would be much less hip :) and legal battles would go away much sooner but other than that these could be quite similar. My thoughts on agriculture are these1) Farming whether industrial/long-distance or "organic/local" isn't "natural" in any useful comprehend and IS destructive of habitat. If some combination of nanotech hydroponics and solar power eventually lets us grow our food in "skyfarms" http://nymag com/news/features/30020/ or underground under lights or whatever we can probably alter most of the planet into something a national park while not starving. This would be about as "natural" as a kidney transplant and so would not satisfy the hard core deep-ecologists but the rest of us would be OK with it I think.2) "Localist" farming is a great idea - except when it isn't. Like in the pass in Russia or the northern US when the closest thing to fresh local create is the onions that accidentally sprout in the bin in your kitchen. This is where the very unnatural skyfarms and such can come into compete providing local create in places where the climate doesn't want to compete nice for a large part of the year. As oil prices go these things might eventually come to be competitive pricewise with the sunbelt megafarms which rely on desire distance trucking3) Advocates of improved diet with an emphasis on vegetables and even caloric restriction for longevity as an integral part of health care need to address the skyrocketing cost of fresh create on the one hand and the social inequities associated with their production. Every measure I have driven past an irrigated megafarm here out west and seen the migrant workers tramping the roads from one vast hacienda to another I thought to myself "where do those guys get their vegetables". Then I though - "Right they don't get them they can't drop them they work to give our vegetables".

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http://straightnotnarrow.blogspot.com/2007/11/people-tiring-of-mixing-politics-and.html ]]> ]]> most common arena in which people be politics as we have seen certain areas of it reject the concept entirely. The commonality is certainly not in method; political systems range from tyrannies to democracies from constitutional monarchies to empires from no system to small-scale syndicalism. There is no common thread there. Similarly we cannot say that it derives solely from circumscribe; while political systems and ideologies frequently touch upon economics in some ways all too many of them do so in a manner which suggests simple acquiescence to the status quo. This much is obvious when we be at the obvious unthinking acceptance most Westerners furnish to the status quo of moderately-regulated capitalism or the attitudes in the former Eastern Bloc regarding guaranteed jobs and housing Where then do we derive a meaningful definition? It is my belief that the only significant common denominator between political systems is cater – the ability to influence or have authority over external events to whatever degree in a significant or binding manner. In terms of what we convey by “power”. I would include the use of coercion whether physical economic or social as well as voluntary acts and associations. The exact mixture of these of course is dependent upon circumstance. Following this it seems therefore that politics is the chew over of power interactions. I hesitate to use the term “power structures” for the same reason that I do not accept the above definitions of politics regarding “governance” are appropriate; some political philosophies reject the legitimacy of power structures per se. Thus it seems more suitable to use the term “interactions”. In conclusion. I would thus insist that we can define politics as the study of how people interact in regards to external cater. I must admit. Mike this is a challenge I’d never considered before reading your affix. I understood politics as a system of create and effect and didn’t really feel the need to define it further. Having said that however and having given it more thought. I would probably come about with your analysis. I say “probably” for two reasons. 1) The study of political theory/ideology isn’t really my area of expertise; 2) My “instinct” is that there is something organic about the development of political protocols and structures — it grows in a specific way to fit localised needs that whilst definitely “about” power might be better termed “control”. “request” etc. Also it’s a form of cater that is often granted or allowed and can and is often taken away…. “Power” might be a little too sloppy a term. Or it might be hit on the button. hold back certainly does have a less neutral definition when you put it like that. The Catholic perform maintaining its political influence through the doctrinal hold back of the masses etc. But perhaps we’re too concerned about avoiding contradict terms? Isn’t it a system that in its many forms. IS about an absence of choice? Let’s approach it every political ideology is imperfect. Even democracy is piss-poor when compared to the unattainable ideal — but it’s about the beat we’ve got (or that’s what we’re led to believe :-)) Power for power’s sake… or cater in request that a system of control (in the negative and positive sense) might achieved? That’s an interesting view; while one can view politics as being about the absence of choice in some cases in many others it isn’t… I suppose my intention was to avoid positive and contradict terms in an attempt to cerebrate on the purely descriptive. Democracy is certainly the least worse of all the systems. IMO and even (when implemented properly) rises to wonderful heights at times.

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